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Chapter 17 · The ATP Project

Social Media Debates and Humility

June 08, 2018

I love you mentioned that. Like Matt was having a conversation. This is when he used to, I don't know how you got into a debate with this idiot. And Matt's going through and effectively providing, you know, peer-reviewed articles to support his case. I think some of them were Cochran, if I remember correctly as well too. And the guy writes back to him and goes, yeah, yeah, well, you're just an abstract scientist. And I thought to myself, my gosh, if there's anybody who- So let me put it this way. Someone said, have you got any references to support your argument? And I said, yeah, I'm actually playing Lego with my kids at the moment. I can quickly send you a couple through that I can find on my phone, and I'll show you how I can find these things quite easily on my phone, and you could do this too. And let me give you some examples of how to quickly find free full-text articles showing these things. It comes back, you're an abstract scientist, bro, you're effing pleb, and all that sort of stuff. And then that's when I actually deleted Facebook because I was actually playing Lego with my boys, which is much more important than dealing with someone that's calling me effing pleb. Anyway. I'm two critics for every ride. And he said, hang on, what did you... And then I read the comments later. Some other people went on and said, hey, man, give him a break. He said he's playing with his boys. He's actually supplied you with the references that you've requested. And now you're attacking him over the quality of the fact that he's provided those references. And then he said, what did you expect from him? And the bloke wrote, I expected him to actually pretty much write an essay of what... He expected me to review all of those things, write it down as a... In a Facebook comment, still, by the way. and then say my opinion and then cite those references. And I say, I'm not fucking playing Lego. But that's the problem when you start. And in our industry as well, too. It's funny. And that was about sweeteners, by the way. Yeah, right. It was. And you were proven right time and time again. But this is the thing. Your mother ever used to say to you, bad company corrupts good character Eagles don hang around with turkeys I mean the other one that really popular is that what is it lions don concern themselves with the opinion of sheep You got to find good people to hang out with and people who are open to having honest discussions, admitting when they're wrong. And that's a hard thing to do. That takes a lot of humility, which there is a great lack of in our industry. Or going back and go, you know what, that makes sense. Even when you approach somebody, they're level to say, look, I appreciate where you're coming from, but that's not what I found. here's what I found. There's a bit of humility when you know you're right as well too. And that's what stifles debate. That's what stifles progress is that people are so, so care about their profile. They so care about winning a Facebook argument. I love that how to win friends and influence people. If you win an argument, you've lost because the person that you've won against hates you for it. You've made them look bad in front of their peers. You have to be gentle and there's just not enough of that anymore. There's no gentlemen and ladies anymore. Everyone's just out to slit everybody's throat. Facebook, it is. It's a cesspool. Well, anyway, Jeff, we're running out of time. We've already gone way over, thanks to you guys. Sorry. Okay, we done, guys? I think we're done. That's it? That's it. Going? Going? Oh, let me tell you this. Oh, shut up, Matt. Thanks, Luke, for coming. It's good to have you back on the show, mate. What are you doing next? We've got a last time for your plug. Have you got anywhere where people can see you? Give your website a plug, your Facebook page a plug.