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Chapter 21 · The Unknown Strength Podcast

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Mental Resilience

January 03, 2019

Hey, that's a perfect segue, all right? Luke Lehman now does jiu I do Yeah How far in are we now Total time accumulation and not my travels Probably I don know maybe eight weeks Right This is when you taking it seriously with some consistency? Yeah. I mean, I came into it to take it seriously and to roll it into competition at some point and to basically, on the same track you were at, want to get my black belt someday and you know focusing on becoming the best i can be and you know i i my experiences with judo and japanese jiu-jitsu and the first time i did brazilian jiu-jitsu and i've told you guys this story before last time yeah the last time it was like 15 years ago you know i walk in like okay you know he's gonna lay on the ground you're gonna get in between his legs and i'm going uh what like this is not looking it's not how japanese jiu-jitsu or judo goes and he's like no well this is how we train you're gonna end up on the ground here and so i'm like okay whatever and i think probably a couple of weeks in i had a big guy on top of me we're both sweating we didn't have rash guards back then the nipple his nipple it's nipple gate his nipple pops out goes right in my mouth so i had some other dude sweaty nipple in my mouth my mouth and i freaked out and went fuck this i'm gonna go do more time and then today while we're rolling someone's nipple pops out i thought you were joking did it yeah and it was like sitting like on my left nostril and I start having flashbacks so I'm going to have to go to some trauma counselling now. I thought you were saying, fortunately, a nipple didn't slip. No, your nipple can't. It's a nice nipple, but I don't want it in my mouth. And it was kind of in my nostril. And then I started having flashbacks and I started freaking out, but it didn't matter because I couldn't freak out because then I was getting choked. No, I'm worried because I'm thinking of all the times where I think my nipple didn't slip out and I'm worrying how many awkward situations I've encountered. Look, it's a great strategy. This is the kind of thing we need to roll into your when it's not about the food seminar. Oh, yeah. What about when a nipple slips? When a nipple slips, then, you know, hey, that could be a trigger to drinking a quarter bottle of whiskey like we're doing right now. Yeah, Johnny Walker Gold Label. It was really nice. I'm not a whiskey guy, but this is all right. Likewise. It's gone down quite well. The thing I'm enjoying about the Brazilian jiu-jitsu is in most of the martial arts I've done, your focus is always getting to the next belt. But when you go into Brazilian jiu-jitsu, you see all these white belts and they're all really fucking good and you're like holy shit and that's like when you like you've got one stripe two stripes like when you get your blue belt and they're all like i really don't give a shit like i'm here to get better don't give a fuck about the belts then you roll the fucking guy's a blue belt who's been training five or six years and the guy's just completely mauling you yeah holy shit and then you you learn to start focusing on the art, not the actual reception of some tangible thing like a stripe or a belt. And then you realize, okay, all right, cool. If I get to be a black belt, I get to be a black belt. I know I'm in this for 10 to 15 to 20 years, whatever. Doesn't really matter. It's a journey. It's a journey. It's a whole love the process. And that's what I like. It's a journey and it takes the pressure off and it's just all about like learning to get better and not getting trapped into things. And then it's the mental mathematics of it. It's like engineering. It's like I understand biomechanics and leverage. Okay, now how do I understand the strategy about not letting someone have space, creating a dominant position? What can I do here? If this doesn't work, where do I go? And then making my opponent fuck up because that's what it's all about, making him make a bad mistake that he's going to fucking regret. Baits and traps and problem solving. Now, I just want to give you the opportunity to represent the gym that you're training at now in Brisbane because we chatted briefly off air about it. And it sounds like a really, really cool community, cool little environment to be training in. It is. The guy I'm taking my instruction from is Justin Bennett, and he's competitive. He's a brown belt. He trains out of the Agogé. That's his gym. He used to train out of Arsua. And the guy's amazing. It's not a competitive atmosphere, and that's what kind of turned me off of Brazilian jiu-jitsu before. It's like you go in, and everybody's trying to manhandle each other, and I'm like, man, I want to learn a technique before I ever get competitive, and I want to get good so we don't hurt each other. And he reinforces that of, okay, let's learn the mechanics behind things and let's get really good at feeling and not thinking and moving from one thing to the other with nice fluid motion. And that's kind of more my style because I'm not a small guy. Yeah. And I'm not a weak guy. But with the jiu-jitsu, you want to learn how to finesse it and to be able to move. the technique and the brute strength together. I don't want to force somebody into a submission. I want to make you fuck up. I was going to say, suffice to say, you're actually at a disadvantage when it comes to learning jiu-jitsu because you have a lot of physical attributes that are going to let you power techniques, power moves, get yourself into positions that against a standard person, if they got better technique they going to have to have a significant technique advantage over you to generally sort of out you out you Is that what you found earlier No Oh I found that he was very very powerful and that the reality is that he going to give a lot of white belts and blue belts and even pearl belts trouble off pure physical athleticism. If you can throw someone off you, if you can drag all of them, move them away from you, they still have to work pretty hard to find that opportunity to put you away. Okay, he's fucking lying because I spent the whole time thinking, please don't shit your pants in front of all these people. It was like trying to wrestle a fucking metal pole and then having that metal pole throw you around. He is quite rigid. He's quite powerful and strong, right? And this is the thing. You never know. I convinced Isaac to come. He's got a shit muscle. His muscle tone is shit, but it doesn't matter. I'm flexing right now. That's not fair. I'm only saying that because I'm across a few microphones and he's probably not going to jump across the table. But I tell everybody now, like, look, man, if you want something to go do, like a least mode thing, and it sounds silly for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to be least mode, but part of least mode is getting a hobby and something that takes your mind away from everything. For me, like motorcycles. I love driving motorcycles because all you can think about is a motorcycle. If you stop thinking about that, you're going to die. Your old man was a bikey, too. He was. And I'm now working on getting his motorcycle over here. Fantastic. I love that. Yeah. And, you know, when I go to jujitsu, the only thing you can think about is jujitsu. And the only thing you think about is protecting yourself and protecting your partner. And you don't have time to think about any of your fucking problems. So you can go and you can just escape for a couple of hours. And Zoe's like, oh, my God, stop telling everybody to go. But people don't understand how fucking powerful it is. And so I convinced Isaac to go the first time. He's like, oh, my God, this is fantastic. Like, it's scary. but I can get on the mat and I can't think about anything else but this. And I think that's a really powerful thing.