Iron Fortification and Absorption Issues

10 years ago man i was watching sunrise antioxidant things they always they always do beta carotene and dialfatocopherol in mega dose and that's another common fault because in australia we have to use those forms if you want to make an austell listed product and in most other countries they just typically use those because they're cheap and easy and nasty but that is another common thing that we see people mega dosing antioxidants and what you've got to understand is if you overdose an antioxidant it becomes a pro-oxidant so it's vitamin c um iv vitamin c is one of the other ones that's most commonly overdosed and then vitamin a as beta carotene vitamin e as dl photocopherol when we have the natural variances with all of their like you're saying in the multi-food we'd have very small amounts of these vitamins compared to what you might get in the synthetic because the rest of the product is made up of all the cofactors the bioflavonins and all the different forms you know so 10 years ago i saw this and it really pissed me off at the time there was this expert that came on i think she was a um a dietician and she came in and she was talking specifically about iron for women and how important it was and and and she goes and of course you don't want to be supplementing with iron you know supplements because they can make you constipated but i've got a bread here that I've fortified with iron it's like and everyone like oh yeah no because it food yeah but you just altered it by putting in the supplement whether you getting it from a bloody capsule or whether you just fortifying it in bread what the freaking difference I tell you the difference The difference is the phytates in the bread block the absorption of iron. Yes. So you're better off with a bloody supplement. And the supplement they use is known as FIFOL. Yeah, that's why it won't bind you up. Yeah. Because it's not working at all. Exactly. Oh my God. Well, FIFOL is an iron sulfate form, which is completely inorganic. You wouldn't recommend that to your dog. It's terrible. and they just put that chemical in the bread. And it's just a train wreck. It's just wrong, wrong. But see, this is what annoys me when you've got these so-called talking head professionals on television, dietitians and nutritionists. Now, there are some great ones out there, but these ones all seem to line up and go, supplements are bad and what I'm going to tell you is good. Follow the food pyramid. Take this fortified bread and fortified baby food and effectively, it's just horrendous. They don't get a level of supplementation. When you talk about the ferrous sulfate and the constipation, and that's the exact pharmaceutical that doctors give people when they have low iron, and it doesn't do anything but make you constipated. It does not get your levels up. So when you try to talk to doctors about this and say, hey, my client's taking this, it's not working, I'd like to give them some ferrous bisglycinate or something that's actually going to absorb, they have no idea what you're talking about. No, they go into their computer and go, it's not on my list of my things, so that doesn't exist. So you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't, especially if you're dealing with a doctor that doesn't know anything about vitamins and minerals. And we just had three, I did probably the dumbest thing I've ever done. I had three, three day seminars in three weeks. I was home two days out of a month and it was just completely wrecked me. And I had a number of nutritionists and naturopaths in my, my courses. And we're talking about different vitamins and, and, and we're talking about like biochemistry and things, and it was just right over their head. And I'm looking at them going, Oh my God, you're writing people diets and like, I'm a college dropout. Like I taught all this stuff to myself and you have a dietetics degree and you don't even know the biochemistry of energy production or any of that. So you start talking to them about, about vitamins. I'm like, you guys got to stop telling people what vitamins to take because you don't know which forms to take. You don't know the right amounts. Then you, you know how it is with naturopaths in Australia. They put people on 500 pills a day and then they don't calculate out that there's oh there's b3 and this this this and this and now they're taking shit tons of b3 or shit tons of something else because they're not adding all the 10 products together they're giving them and figuring out that they're way overdoing it on a lot of the different supplements yeah exactly and now there's this weird trend of putting things like b3 into pre-workouts just to give that nice and rush that rush of blood there's so many other and the frustrating thing especially looking at something like b3 niacin nicotinamide nicotinic acid there's all these different forms of it that people are then like oh jeez i'm okay i can stack them or i got a one that doesn't create the flushing so you don't know you're over and one of the problems with overdosing in b3 is it actually is essential for processes such as methylation but the problem is it has to be methylated to be active and if you overdose on it you actually deplete your methylated such as choline and everything like that and it totally does the opposite effect and that's what we're finding when you overdose on things everything's better off in little bits um unless you're specifically trying to fix a deficiency but if you're specifically trying to fix a deficiency you only go mega doses until it's fixed yeah