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Chapter 11 · Strength Culture

Evidence-Based Training vs. Historical Methods

May 25, 2022

Well, if you look at where most people get their information nowadays, it's from the evidence-based crowd. And, you know, you can read tons of literature and they'll say, well, this method doesn't work, this method does work. a lot of the a lot of the research is a bit shit it's low subject pools a lot of times they don't do the protocols the way they were written they don't they don't control for nutrition there's a lot of stuff that they don't look at and so everybody's everybody's basing their methods on only what's literature based it's not really evidence-based because evidence-based is both application empirical observation and also using the rest of the scientific method and trying to falsify things or trying to test things and a lot of the younger coaches have no idea about the golden area bodybuilders who the researchers are testing their protocols and those things have worked for 50 60 70 years but now because some dweeb in a science coat says it doesn't work now everybody says well german volume training doesn't work but they never go and look at the research and see if they actually did 10 set method exactly what it was they don't yeah and they don't look at the limitations, the limitations are all talked about in those papers. You know, 12 subjects in one paper, 13 subjects in the other. They didn't do the protocols the way they were originally designed. They didn't control for nutrition. The people had one year of training experience. Those are advanced protocols. And I think that a lot of the younger guys, they need to look back at some of the old school bodybuilding stuff because that's, those are the shoulders that we're

on. And those guys figured out how this stuff worked just through trial and error and putting themselves through it. Even when you look at nutritional science as well, the amount of protein that they're suggesting keeps raising as they're figuring out how to measure these things better. So they get off of negative positive nitrogen balance and now looking at specific amino acid uptake. The ranges that they suggest have started at 1.2 grams per kilogram, and they're now at 1.8 and i read a paper two years ago three years ago where the guy said you might as well just take 2.2 grams per kilogram because that's the direction that the protein amount is going yeah and he says bodybuilders have known this since like the 50s and uh there's been research showing that 3.3 to 4.4 there's no negative effects only positive effects so you might as well just say fuck it and just eat 2.2 and just not have a shadow of a doubt right um but with a lot of the old school stuff these kids they don't know they don't know who vince drone is like this class i had i'm like do you guys know who vince drone is they have no idea frank zane no idea franco colombo arnold schwarzenegger everybody knows who that is but they don't know anyone else i said something about doing uh scott curls and somebody goes what's a scott curl i'm like sorry i'm let me translate it's a preacher curl but the original name for that was the scott curl named after larry scott when he was training on that bench at at Vince Drones' gym and had the biggest arms in all of bodybuilding. But I'm massive into people understanding physical culture and where this stuff came from, and we don't want to lose that because there's a lot of great protocols and great exercises that people could be doing that they're not doing because they just aren't being taught that. It's being washed away. Yeah, like Zane Curls. I love Zane Curls. Most younger coaches have no idea what that is. There's a ton of different things we could be doing. I know who Frank Zane is. I don't know Zane Curl. What is Zane Curl? So grab a couple of dumbbells, and you're holding them this the whole time. You're holding them with flexion, and you go down and up, stop, down and up. Oh, yes, I have done them. We used to do them. So you did them, but you didn't know what they were called, right? But I think it's disingenuous that we're losing, that we're not paying homage to these guys, and what's old is new again. So people are renaming exercises that already have fucking names on them. Like we've already, we don't need to name this after you when we've been doing this for 30, 40, 50 years. I saw somebody post a new, a new dumbbell row that they invented and they were going to name it after themselves. And I'm like, hold on a second. So I go to my bookshelf and I pull out Bill Pearl's Keys to the Inner Universe, which was written in 1978. And it's got every fucking old school bodybuilding exercise you could ever want to do. I go to the bicep section. there's a picture of them doing it as early as 1978. But now these people think it's new, so they're going to name it after themselves. Here's the new, the Lehman Row. We've got names for this shit.