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Chapter 16 · Simon Kingsley Dutton - Self Made Podcast

Wim Hof Method and DMT Breathing

June 06, 2022

i remember this one zoe and i first got together so it was years and years and years ago i was big into the Wim Hof stuff and I was really doing it and I did a hard out for months. Um, and it just, it kind of stopped being a priority for me just because I had so much else to do. It was hard for me to just, just like, it was hard for me to prioritize time for it, but it was really weird. You know, when you're doing the, you're doing hyperventilation breathing and you get these big breath holes, especially when you start learning how to, you know, how you try to pull it into your head and you get that really weird thing i shit you not i was doing in the shower one time and i wasn't i wasn't having a fap or anything but i swear to god i had an orgasm from it i actually i i can't explain it but i got to this point where i was like and it was the weirdest thing and that's the audio for the show when i put the audio clip out that that exact noise but man that that actually made me want to do it a lot more but then i was traveling and i got too busy so i just forgot i think i'll have it tonight before i go to bed there's one of the methods that that was in the windhoff event was it was a dmt breathing and yeah that's what it is yeah i never got that from it which is a massive shame that would have been amazing but like you know i i there's that channel 4 show recently that about people doing all the windhoff stuff and there's definitely something more more people have experienced things closer to sort of dmt from from this breath which i think is incredible and looking at women himself with like beating off infections and illnesses and things like this which it's wild necessarily initially basically just reinforces a lot of your work in terms of like this is like at quick succession the impact controlling stress and becoming resilient to stress hasn't yeah like what you can teach someone over 12 weeks is what he's teaching people you know in these very short intense breath works is like it's it's it's a shame that because here's here's that here's the the impulse control getting me cancelled it's it's a shame it's it's a shame that big pharmaceutical companies will never allow his stuff to become mainstream enough to actually see what effects it can actually have well you know i the thing is you can't it's so out in left field is will it ever become mainstream or just stay in pockets of people who are into that type of stuff that's the thing is we have a hard enough time getting people to exercise and eat right even though they know they should. And then you get a guy like Wim Hof who, you know, he's got this aura about him and all the people that follow him. It's kind of almost like this guru-ish type of thing. And he's like, I'm not your guru, but anytime somebody's at a top level like that, they're going to have people like fanboys and fangirls. And it just kind of puts some people off and it just attracts a certain type of person. Right. So I don't, I don't think it would become mainstream just for the fact that the general public wouldn't accept it as mainstream. If they don't even accept fucking walking an hour a day or even lifting weights and eating vegetables, they won't even do that. So they're probably not gonna sit around and do hyperventilation breathing. And if anybody's never done it, they don't understand like there is a certain level of fear you go through when you're doing it. And there's a certain weirdness you feel and you have to overcome that in order to get to the next level of that breathing. And so I was teaching myself how to do this, just reading his stuff and like I did an online course of his and all this. And I think this is before he was doing seminars. And I remember a couple of times I was laying on the ground going, I'm going to die. I don know why I feel like this I going to die And a lot of people are so anxious they couldn get through that And Eugene Teo his brother was at one of my seminars and he came over to hang out at the Airbnb we're at. And I was teaching, I had been showing people how to do my interpretation of Wim Hof breathing, which is what I learned from his seminars and his online course material. And I remember Eugene's brother got like really deep into it and started freaking out. And it was like, Oh, I don't know. I'm feeling my legs. I can't feel my legs. And I was like, Holy shit. And I started freaking out. I'm like, Oh God, did I do something bad? And it's just a lot of people when they get to that level where they actually feel it, you feel so weird that you think something's wrong, even though nothing's actually wrong. You're actually, it's probably a good thing you're going to that level but that level of um of hyperventilation is going to stimulate the sympathetic nervous system which is going to make you feel ramped up and a bit crazy and a bit weird do you see that that's because in i get in theory that the aim is if you ramp up like almost artificially in a way sympathetic nervous system you become more resilient to it you learn how to calm down you know to control your breathing through it do you feel it does have a big carryover if people are consistent with it into stress of day-to-day life do you like if you have work meeting or something happens at work or life do you think doing this will make you better at dealing with this yeah i think so i feel so and i feel that way with most of the training you do like if we go lift weights that's sympathetic if you you know if you go run sprints that's sympathetic that's why we you know we counter that stuff with the easy stuff like the mobility flexibility um if you're into the breathing stuff that type of something out of meditation, you know, low, slow cardiovascular work and that type of thing. I think both sides of that are really important because if you can drive yourself in a really like a naturally high sympathetic state, then whatever you're feeling right now, when you're normal, doesn't seem like it's that bad. And then you can use the parasympathetic stuff to kind of pull all that back over to the right. So you can equalize both of those sides of the autonomic nervous system. So I think they're both important to train. I think it's good that you bring that up, because a lot of the stuff that we spoke about, especially for a issue, but generally focus in general, is people go to stimulants, whether it's a medication given to your doctor by stimulus, or it's a, you know, a caffeine addiction, that, you know, a lot of this is like the stuff around this, the mindfulness, the breath, what the nutrition stuff, supplementation stuff you mentioned, it's almost just like, pulling us back into the middle to a degree, you You know, obviously you're going to need to be more stimulated than other people, but every medication you take that helps the biggest problem, there's always going to be an issue and a result of ramping up your nervous system regularly to allow you to focus, right? Yeah, people have to understand you don't get anything for free. So if you're doing something, there's always a trade-off. So if you think about if you think about just what we do with like even like physique training, like, cool, I want to get abs, but I'm gonna have to go through this level of suffering to get there. So that's the trade off. Like, I'm going to have to do a lot of hard work. I'm going to have to say no to a lot of things if I want to build a gnarly physique. That's the trade off. And then the more gnarly the physique, the more health consequences, the more negative repercussions that you have to deal with that you have to then you have to crawl through. It's like you got to crawl through glass while you're naked, you know, that type of thing if you want to get there. But that's why so many people can't actually get to that level because they can't get through the pain of the work and the feeling that they're going to feel to get there. So, you know, it's all a yin and yang thing. It's an on and off. It's a good and evil. There's always an opposite reaction to what you're going to do. So I often say this and I don't know if this is going to make sense. sometimes I'll say this analogy and people like, I have no idea what you're talking about, but you know, I read a lot of fantasy and I watch a lot of, um, you know, I watch a lot of like fantasy stuff. I watch a lot of Harry Potter and I watch like all that shit. And, uh, it's my favorite genre. And if you think about, if you ever watched movies with like, like witchcraft, right. They always talk about this and they say this in the books too. Like there's always a trade-off. You always have to give something up to get the spell done. And that's why things like necromancers frowned upon in these books because you're going to raise somebody from the dead somebody else has to die so that's kind of the thing with this too if you're using you know stimulants it's a double-edged sword that can go really well but just understand you take that too far there's going to be a massive negative repercussion to that so you're going to fuck your sleep up you're going to fuck your nervous system up you might fuck your gut up you know it might actually you might over stimulate to the point where you're scatterbrained and and it might have the effect that you're trying to resolve with not having energy. Now you went to a dose that kind of gave you the perception of less fatigue, but then you took it too far and

And now you're too ramped up and now you're really fucked and you got to wait for that to come back down. So my tolerance to, my tolerance to caffeine has gone down since, since starting taking the Ritalin, not from a caffeinated perspective, because I'm used to it. And I have my very unhealthy addiction to Coke zero, which doesn't, doesn't help this at all. But I, but from a gut perspective, I've worked out very quick. Cause at all, like two, three days in, I was like, Oh man, my guts are filling up. And it just, my usual caffeine intake. Now I've added a big stimulant on top of it. And that, that was something I noticed noticed very quickly um which is again reason why I'm quite looking forward to this six weeks at home when I can sort of like go okay let's pull back on all this other stuff and it's just like really focus on just this stuff and and see see see where that goes what's your you mentioned like